A20 Pro vs Intel Ultra 7 Series 3
All of this performance is wasted on Apple’s closed hardware and OS. What a shame.
Yes this right here the context the people are actually missing is that these trips are going to be proprietary to Apple products.
The last Apple product that I purchased was a iPod mini in 2008.
They probably optimize for the benchmark… It’s not uncommon
Wow you must be a real engineer drawing from your vast decades long experience. And not someone sitting on a shitter pulling words out of your ass.
It didn’t take long for more info to come out about the A20, and the suspected compromises that are being made on the iPhone: https://wccftech.com/apple-a20-solder-joint-leak-base-iphone-18-compromises/ . I also used to sell their gear for 3 years
Pretty much every company has been busted cheating on benchmarks, including Nvidia and Intel (its easy to do, just detect the starting frames, or/and the exe). And, I spent all of last week optimising code using benchmarks (and profiling)
On Desktop applications in particular, Apple’s biggest failure has always been GPU. Which is why testers often test things like encoding (it has a chip designed to accelerate video encoding), CPU, and rarely games.
Like my M2 Mac Studio looked awesome in benchmarks (Toms hardware did one too). They didn’t test games, because if they tested things like Raytracing, they would have discovered the M2 never had raytracing built in (and, computers which cost the same price DID at the time)
My Mac Pro looked awesome on paper too (it even needed FB ECC Dimms to work). The GPU was absolute slop compared to what PC’s were shipping, which is why sites only ever seemed to test Apps…
If someone like Steve was testing this, I’d trust it immediately. But the entire premise of the article is around 1 benchmark… And for all we know, they might have been testing against absolute crap products
Actually insane they are beating desktop processors with a phone CPU.
Not that crazy to beat a desktop CPU in specific category like this. This article went off the deep end when they made the comparison to the Huawei CPU. If you actually put one of these in a phone and spent any amount of time getting the kind of performance they’re claiming it would almost immediately thermal throttle or cook itself. These comparisons are pointless.
Exactly what I wanted to say. On paper my pixel 1 was significantly faster then my pc at the time, an ancient core2quad q8400. In a lot of ways the phone did feel faster, then I tried to decompress a large 7z file on both of them and,despite using a mechanical hard drive, my pc took just over half as long.
Now overall, there were a lot of things that chip could manage better than my desktop but the point is that using a single benchmark or benchmark suite that leans into the strengths of the hardware is pointless.
These “benchmarks” are great for marketing, so not pointless. Just pointless for users.
Toms Hardware is a corporate propaganda op anyway.
Except they aren’t, outside of synthetic geekbench benchmark that is designed to produce this exact result…
Eh, it’s 2 years newer than the AMD architecture, on a better node, and has better memory packaging. I mean it’s great they’re getting this performance, but wait until Zen 6 for a contemporary architecture and node comparison.
I don’t really like geekbench. It always feels like it favors apple devices.
Don’t worry guys, we’ll get a RISC-V device that blows Apple ARM out of the water any second now.
Annnnyyy second now…
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I like my iPhone but damn it’s locked down.
I bought it, I should be able to go to GitHub, grab a project, compile it and run it.
I’m surprised that so many technically-adept people find this acceptable.
Not necessarily the bit about compiling software directly on the phone; I can do that and I don’t, but the part where Apple has the last word on what apps can exist (yes, I know there are some very narrow escape hatches).
As a developer I routinely compile projects that Apple has never seen and run them on my iOS devices. It’s not locked down in the sense that it’s impossible, but that the barrier is too high for normal users (who also don’t have a developer program membership).
Im Europe we have alternative app stores on iOS too.
But at the end of the day, even as a technically adept person, I don’t care that much about what my phone can do beyond the actual phone things, and just want it to be a reasonable smartphone that doesn’t need me to be technically adept just to be useable.
This seems to be a common position, and I share much of it. I usually don’t want to do anything all that fancy on my phone, but once in a while, some edge case comes up where what I want and what the manufacturer or OS vendor has decided to approve differ.
In those situations, I insist on having the last word.
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not really apples to apples (no pun intended) comparison. Apple has designed their silicon chips with the intention of running their operating systems and the OS is certainly optimized for the architecture. Whereas x86 is somewhat generic and the OS performance varies, Windows and Linux not necessarily returning the same results. Linux can be highly optimized, but not Windows.
No pair of different CPU models is an apples to apples comparison. But comparing two CPUs of the same ISA with similar implementations using tact frequencies and core numbers and cache sizes might make sense. Like two AMD Ryzen CPUs or two Intel CPUs.
OK, I mean, there are benchmarks for this kind of thing.
I’m sure many will disagree but I don’t see a point to this; it’s neat I guess but why?
Edir: Well, I’m listening…
Most cad software is single threaded, well most of it is, there are parts that are multi threaded but in general single threaded. So in my case single core speed is extremely important, it’s more important than a GPU. And I mean an actual GPU, I can get away with integrated graphics, but single core speed is the killer
And you’re running CAD software on your phone?
No but it gives an example of why single threaded can matter, and as it’s apple I’m going to assume the arm based A20 is similar to the arm based M series chips.
