Don’t forget how they will also criticize western leftists and progressives endlessly for not being perfect and not even mention the right wing or non-western dictators. Bernie Sanders and AOC are apparently basically Nazis but Stalin was fiiiiine and who even cares about keeping fascists out of power.
Yes, OUTSIDE of the western bubble, the concept of right wing communists is pretty common. But as soon as westerners see it they’re like “Why are you Communist AND criticizing the progressive left?”
Welcome to your first encounter with right/conservative/traditionalist or Nationalist Communism.
This is not a difficult thing to grasp:
Communism/Socialism are ECONOMIC as well as political philosophies. So you can have ECONOMIC views that can have either left or right POLITICAL philosophies attached.
Understand?
The military bases doing the imperialism are named after those guys and what the Confederacy wanted to do if they won the war was take over Cuba and Venezuela and rename the Gulf of Mexico the American Sea. America is what happens when you aren’t a tankie and quit Reconstruction.
yellow Michael Parenti about critical support:
And those who demand instant perfection, the day after the revolution, they get up and say “Are there civil liberties for the fascists? Are they going to be allowed to have their newspapers, and their radio programme? Are they going to be able to keep all their farms?” The passion that some of our liberals feel the day after the revolution, the passion and concern they feel for the fascists—the civil rights and civil liberties of those fascists who were dumping and destroying and murdering people before—now the revolution has got to be perfect! It’s got to be flawless! Well, that isn’t my criteria! My criteria is, what happens to those people who couldn’t read? What happens to those babies who couldn’t eat—that died of hunger? And there, that’s why I support revolution. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support! Not blindly, not unqualified. And the Reaganite government that tries to stop that kind of process, that tries to keep those people in poverty and illiteracy and hunger—that gets my undiluted animosity and opposition.
*imperlialism
ITT: It’s better if USA balkanized
Gee, I wonder who are trying to advocate for this? Surely Russia and China who are attacking Ukraine and encroaching an entire body of ocean, respectively, aren’t the ones with an army of online trolls who are promoting this.
No, broooo, trust me broooo, the nondemocracies that rival the world’s biggest democracy would never try to dishonestly influence voters, trust me brooooooooooo
Yeah man shoot against tankies while your country is ruled by zionist pedophile warmongers.
This is so funny I will forgive the spelling mistake. :)
If you look hard enough around Caleb Maupin/patsoc circles, you might find examples of that.
Lemmy Tankies seem to think: “The Confederates are bad but the USA isn’t perfect, so we should let the Confederacy win!”
something something something ALAMO!
Tankies are closer to gryopers than any other group. Im suspicious that they are, infact, the same people.
Trying to create division on the left.
In honor of labor day and all those who sacrificed for better working conditions I’ve been thinking of ways to make our voices heard. I think protesting at FAA air traffic facilities is a great option. If we keep controllers from accessing their jobs the air space shuts down. This would be a huge blow to Trump!
Let me explore how we organize these protests. The beauty is most of these employees are sick of going to work because they HATE TRUMP! They just need to see the public is on their side and we need to give them a reason to not show up for work! Air traffic controllers think their duty is to go to work and pretend everything is normal, if we protest right in front of them they will know the public wants them to act!
We will also not hurt the individual. The air traffic centers where there is a higher volume of controllers are paid very well. They also have great union benefits. Including leave pay called “weather leave”, which is usually time paid for absence from work due to adverse conditions. Well protests right outside their workplace is an adverse condition and the union will make sure the federal government pays the individual if they can’t make it to work!
So how do we organize this. I think we should target the air traffic centers “ARTCC”. These are large radar facilities where 100+ employees work every day. They have one gate access point. You can start off small, just on the sidewalk with signage expressing that serving Trump is shitting on the Constitution (this is a common debate between federal employees now) This can be as small as 1 person just out there on the sidewalk peacefully holding up a sign. Totally legal.
Now if we have enough numbers we can start “crossing the street” protests. Pedestrians legally are allowed to cross the street in front of the entrances to these centers and we can utilize slow walking speeds to delay entry to employees. Usually this should be done between 6-9am and 2-6pm as those are shift change hours.
Finally a lot of controllers may find other reasons to not show up to work. Emotional distress, lack of sleep, or fatigue are all Union protected reasons controllers could get PAID time off while we the people protest against the trump regime. Once the administration is deposed the worker individual can return to work normally with little impact to their financial situation!
So now the locations of the centers:
This is the issue, they are typically located outside city areas. So I don’t expect huge numbers of people showing up but like I said, 1 or 2 people protesting is still worth it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._Air_Route_Traffic_Control_Centers?wprov=sfla1
So this is my protest idea. It’s one way to affect Trump adversely, a lot of federal employees are sick of this shit, THEY JUST NEED A REASON SO LET’S SHOW THEM WE WANT THEM TO FUCK TRUMP OVER
So you read all this and you’re still thinking “oh well nothing near me and I can’t do much” Well you probably do have a FAA airport near you with a control tower, you can protest there, or many other agencies that are run by the federal government. Finally you can copy this and spread it. You can edit it if you need to but just spread this idea.
Life in the USA cannot continue to go on as if this is all normal, something has to break! It’s Labor day weekend as I write this, let’s demonstrate labor still has the fucking power!
Link?
Hard to find, they didn’t have internet back in the Civil War days <3
Right, I thought you were talking about something that ACTUALLY happens when the topic comes up, not just being hyperbolic like Trump when decrying socialism.
I take it you’re a “I dislike both sides, we need a return to the middle” type of centrist?
Lmao nah, this meme is about ml support for explicitly fash Russia.
I’m a “War is actually fucking evil, humanity should really stop invading their neighbors” sorta fella. Very unpopular all around, I know.
That’s not really a conflict to do with American Imperialism (as per the meme).
I think sometimes the word “tankie” is used by well meaning centrist Liberal to mean “anyone Socialist” and then pose these really simple strawmen, which might even be informed by, or aid in going after Socialists of all varieties.
…and that feels very much like something the conservative right (generationally) has set up, as much as it’s a response to “once some communist prick was mean to me because I hadn’t read the same books as him” (a known phenomena, and problem in a few communities)…
…either way it seems like fodder to create leftwing infighting. Which probably isn’t a good thing.
More like look at how the government uses their citizens to fight against each other to decide which wealthy group gets control. Truly a disgusting display of manipulation and inability to govern somehow transformed into “freeing the slaves” when the resulting sharecropping was often worse than slavery. Propaganda is one hell of a drug.
Yeah, no, get outta here with that confederate bullshit. Southern Slavery was an evil institution, and the Union shooting it out of the South was a good thing.
Okay, this person is completely incorrect in their claim about sharecropping. But yes, the US federal government did not think slavery was an issue worth going to war to end. The Confederacy explicitly existed to continue slavery even though it was not threatened whatsoever in the South and more by freesoilers out west, including Lincoln and most “antislavery” activists. The US invaded the Confederacy because the Confederacy picked a fight and decided to shoot first, it was not about any moral ground. The decision to implement antislavery policy as a tactic during the war is more accurately attributed to the growing food and resource crisis the Confederacy suffered relative to the huge advantage that guaranteeing freedom to the overwhelming enslaved population there created.
So, yes, it was good that slavery was abolished as a consequence of this War, but it would be distortive to suggest the Union fought to do that specifically. Solidarity among property-owning classes was a much more influential element in whether war broke out, and was indeed a huge reason why the war did not start until southerners started it despite the many good moral reasons to shut it down.
Thank you for diverging from that sharecropper dipshit!
I would mention how the American West was a constant battleground, as shown with Saint John Brown.
You are absolutely correct that while Lincoln was an abolitionist, he said he wasn’t willing to risk the Union over the “issue”. Yet despite the claimed class solidarity between the North and South propertied, the South still became traitors as soon as Lincoln was elected.
Oh yes, but the resulting sharecropping was cool and pitting families against each other to fight the wealthy’s war was great. Now run along like a good little propagandized fascist fuck.
TIL being anti-slavery is fascism, poor John Brown
Did I say slavery was a good thing? Man you are fucking stupid.
Truly a disgusting display of manipulation and inability to govern somehow transformed into “freeing the slaves”
The resulting sharecropping was often worse than slavery
Look buddy, it’s neat you have the same takes and cadence as Everyone’s Wildly Racist Uncle. Real neat, you have a lovely one, cya!
What in the literal fuck are you talking about. The sharecroppers were often worse off afterwards. It was a whole new type of torture.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but white people continued fucking over the blacks to this day. The violence of the civil war didn’t solve the problem.
You know what? I typed half a comment on the wildly evil realities of enslavement, but you clearly do not care. Shill your troll ass shit elsewhere.
Bud, I’m gonna have to see some sources on the sharecropping claim. Either you haven’t read enough slave narratives, or there is some insanely obscured events related to sharecropping.
Edit: Okay, so we’ve confirmed this dude is just racist.
It is simple, many slaves were treated better than sharecroppers. There was no freedom other than oppression for sharecroppers. Everytime blacks looked they would get rights the whites came in and destroyed their communities, wealth, and political capital. It was fucking torture that still exists strongly to this day.
If they were free why are they still being abused to this day? Freedom must mean something very different to you.
Bud, you gotta open you eyes to reality. No one in power at the time thought slaves were equal even Lincoln. You are going off of some re-envisioning bullshit. There are more slaves now than at anytime in history.
It is simple, many slaves were treated better than sharecroppers.
How could you possibly know this? What do you mean by “many”? eight? One hundred? Half?
Take a deep breath, calm yourself, and try to focus. I’d ask you to elaborate further on more of your comments, but first, tell me all about how it’s simple to reach that conclusion and how you made it. It should be easy to explain, because it’s simple.
How could you possibly not know this!?
Oh, that is right you have profound ignorance.
https://youtu.be/dgV_0o604bQ?is=cSp8q-0xBIYn4osz
https://wams.nyhistory.org/primary-source/sharecroppers/
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/harvest-sharecropping-slavery-rerouted/
You can draw you own fucking conclusions, but I won’t hold my breath.
Okay, Im not 100% certain of what you think you’re saying, but this and the comment below aren’t coherent.
You said sharecropping was worse than slavery, and that is not elevating the systemic racism experienced by African Americans in a post-Civil War era to the present, it actually diminishes it by denying the severity of slavery. I don’t think you realize what you’ve said, because it is immensely racist.
Black women’s bodies were objectified for their reproductive capacity throughout the history of slavery in the US, but especially so in the early decades of the 19th century after the importation of enslaved peoples was banned and the only source of growth for that population was through their bodies. This meant they were raped to produce more slaves dude, sexual violence is inherent to slavery, but think for a minute about just how brutal that single element of the institution is. This is of course not even the only form of sexual violence that occurred within African American enslavement in the US; white slave owners regularly raped women they claimed ownership over, engaged in sexual humiliation as a form of punishment, in Louisiana, wealthy owners would even participate in balls or galas where they’d display their “mistresses,” which were enslaved women.
This isn’t even getting into the myriad of other vectors of violence, the brutal punishments that were inflicted on them, the degree of forced labour, forced malnutrition (yes, worse than simply being a poor farmer), the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 even allowed the abduction and forced enslavement of relatively any African American in slave or free states should they find themselves in an unfortunate position.
The reason why slavery was bad is the same reason there are constant attempts by racists in the US to claim that racism is over because the “actual” bad elements of it are abolished and the only reason there is discrimination afterward is due to some innate flaw in black people or individuals’ character. They did it after slavery was abolished, after black men were elected to political positions, after the great migration, after the Civil Rights Act, after Obama got elected. Erasing the brutality of slavery to elevate some other form of oppression neglects the reality that those two forms of oppression are relational, both in their historical developments and in the ways each are facilitated within a racist system.
Please, do not spread misinformation irresponsibly, even if you’re trying to do something good.
I didn’t say that. Listen, if you want to make up an argument go ahead. Have fun acting like a dumbass.
I asked for any source and you linked some (inadequate) secondary sources below that simply discuss that sharecropping was discriminatory. Slavery wasn’t bad just because it was racist, and you clearly thought that was the case. I’d be happy to provide a reading list when I have a minute.
Also, you not only said that, but you said it multiple times explicitly throughout this thread. Bud, you gotta stop pretending to know about shit you clearly don’t know well enough about.
What is the serious fuck are you talking about!? I was pointing out the end of slavery didn’t materially improve the lives of sharecroppers in the South. Life got worse, not better which is a conundrum if you believe in a progressive movement in history. They had no protection, they were raped and murdered at will. I am not saying it was better than slavery but rather a new form of torture.
You have got to be trolling or perhaps acting stupid on purpose. I really don’t care at this point.
You seriously have to start reading your own comments before you post them. Reread the thread ✌️
